00:03:49 Pure Energy Yoga: What is comfortable 00:04:01 Anna: Minium sensory input 00:04:17 Evelyne Hertrich: 19 century 00:04:18 Erin Ipjian: the blue book 00:04:19 Esther: 1970’s? 00:04:21 Evelyne Hertrich: in France? 00:04:58 Mohamed El Dakkak: western relaxation techniques 00:04:59 Sarah Montross: Western relaxation techniques 00:04:59 Esther: Western relaxation practices 00:04:59 Evelyne Hertrich: wetstern relaxation 00:05:15 Sarah Montross: The goddess 00:05:16 Sarah Montross: ? 00:05:17 Evelyne Hertrich: goddess$* 00:05:21 Esther: A state of consciousness 00:05:59 Esther: Relaxation response 00:06:01 rebecca podlipec: Nervous 00:06:03 Mohamed El Dakkak: nervous system 00:06:04 Evelyne Hertrich: nervous system 00:06:07 Erin Ipjian: parasympathetic nervous system 00:06:08 L A Starr: PNS 00:06:09 Mohamed El Dakkak: parasympathetic 00:06:11 Esther: PNS 00:06:14 michaelamccallum: Autonomic ns 00:06:14 Evelyne Hertrich: aautonomic 00:06:16 Erin Ipjian: autonomic 00:06:21 kbs: parasympathic of autonomic 00:07:03 Daniela Vesela: endocrine 00:07:03 Mohamed El Dakkak: immune system 00:07:05 Evelyne Hertrich: endocrin 00:07:08 maya odeh: Immune nervous system 00:07:10 maya odeh: endocrine 00:07:35 Evelyne Hertrich: HPA 00:07:52 Sarah Montross: cortisol 00:07:55 Esther: Cortisol 00:07:57 Evelyne Hertrich: cotsisol 00:08:10 Erin Ipjian: better digestion 00:08:13 Evelyne Hertrich: restaure 00:08:16 heathergagnon: How they deal with stress 00:08:17 Olga Kay (she/her): slower heart rate 00:08:17 Sarah Montross: Conserve our energy 00:08:18 kbs: reduced BP an;d HR 00:08:18 Marie Hurley Blair: reduced heart rate 00:08:19 Mohamed El Dakkak: better cognitive function 00:08:19 Esther: Skeletal muscles relax, HR, BP, HRV 00:08:22 Evelyne Hertrich: healing 00:08:26 L A Starr: Resilience 00:09:01 michele: lymphaticdrainage 00:09:06 Evelyne Hertrich: lower in the evening 00:09:15 michaelamccallum: Steep increase in morning 00:09:20 Evelyne Hertrich: incrised in the morning 00:09:21 Anna: Steeper spikes 00:09:37 Mohamed El Dakkak: lowering 00:09:39 Evelyne Hertrich: lower 00:10:27 Marie Hurley Blair: safe 00:10:29 Esther: Safety 00:10:30 heathergagnon: safe 00:10:31 Sarah Montross: safe 00:10:36 Tiff: Safe 00:10:58 Anna: Plasticity 00:10:58 Erin Ipjian: neuroplasticity 00:11:00 Esther: Neuroplasticity 00:11:03 kbs: neuroplasticity 00:11:13 Anna: In rest 00:11:15 michaelamccallum: At rest 00:11:15 Sarah Montross: relaxation 00:11:17 Erin Ipjian: sleep? 00:11:18 Mohamed El Dakkak: during sleep and relaxation 00:11:18 Evelyne Hertrich: durinf sleep 00:11:43 Sarah Montross: Now I have research to support my naps to my husband 00:11:49 michele: No 00:11:53 Mohamed El Dakkak: nop 00:12:06 Katja Bartsch: Reacted to "Now I have research ..." with 😂 00:12:15 Anna: Dopamine 00:12:17 Esther: Dopamine 00:13:21 heathergagnon: Reacted to "Now I have research ..." with 😂 00:17:45 Sarah Montross: What is TCM 00:17:58 Sarah Montross: Thank you! 00:21:43 kbs: who wrote How Emotions are Made? 00:22:01 Sarah Montross: Available on audible too! 00:22:16 Anna: Barrett made me laugh and Peyton makes me cry at times (just started her book) 00:22:51 Evelyne Hertrich: thank you for the recommendations 00:29:02 kbs: would autoimmune be a dysregulated response to allostasis 00:30:16 Mohamed El Dakkak: I don't get why allostatic load means the stress response? 00:31:17 Anna: Allostatic “capacity” = resilience? 00:31:20 Erin Ipjian: is homeostasis the state of balance, while allostasis is the process of getting back to homeostasis? 00:31:55 Erin Ipjian: thanks 00:32:19 Katja Bartsch: Replying to "would autoimmune be ..." Allostatic load as “cumulative wear-and-tear” effects of chronic stress on the body is at least discussed as precursor for autoimmune disorders in the literature: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11102636/ 00:39:41 Heather Kolwich: 🤯 00:41:08 Mohamed El Dakkak: there are things that do make sense with that, and others that don't 😄 for example when we hear a sound ... we heard that sound, it's how we interpret the sound that differs... but the sound is the sound no? 00:41:58 michele: Is there a way to give a “real-world” example of the difference in these 2 theories? It’s confusing 00:45:22 Mohamed El Dakkak: Can you please explain again the bottom and top down priors? I couldn't understand them 00:45:59 Manuela Donati: Replying to "Can you please expla..." I would like to know as well! 00:46:21 Sarah Montross: When you say bottom up you mean that we act in response to sensory input vs predicting based on the past and acting before the input 00:46:22 Sarah Montross: ? 00:48:13 heathergagnon: Replying to "Can you please expla..." Me too! 00:51:08 Katja Bartsch: Replying to "?" Yes, bottom-up would be in response to somatosensory input; top down would be “from brain down. Previous experiences, together with cultural and societal influences, shape and modify top down predictive. 00:51:43 kbs: Replying to "would autoimmune be ..." thank you 00:52:10 Sarah Montross: Replying to "?" Thank you! 00:52:37 Mohamed El Dakkak: I still don't understand the bottom up and top down 😅 00:53:10 Sarah Montross: @Mohamed El Dakkak here is what @Katja Bartsch said to me: 00:53:11 Sarah Montross: Yes, bottom-up would be in response to somatosensory input; top down would be “from brain down. Previous experiences, together with cultural and societal influences, shape and modify top down predictive. 00:53:17 Sarah Montross: Hope that helps 00:53:46 Olga Kay (she/her): also the rewiring of these predictions seems like a complex and lengthy process, but when you notice they have been in fact rewired its so empowering (my internet connection is low so just writing it) 00:57:05 michele: How would the Top-Down model be used with the “nail” example you gave? 00:58:31 Kelli Lene's iPhone: Reflexes would be bottom to top or outside this system ? 00:58:38 Marie Hurley Blair: In terms of expectations and what successful performance looks like Roger Federer gave a commencement speech about this 00:59:16 Mohamed El Dakkak: so top down explains the back and forth process of sensing and explaining the sensation and predicting accordingly? 00:59:29 elisebreth: Reacted to "In terms of expectat..." with 👍🏻 00:59:37 Yoga Medicine Teachers: Yes! 01:02:22 Evelyne Hertrich: About that, I was wondering is are all yoga nidra practices equal or are their dfiferent types of yoga depending on the outcome we'd like 01:02:29 Mohamed El Dakkak: hmmm so based on Katja's comment on the nail example, top down & bottom up is between the brain and the peripherals, while the spinal cord is a different thing than both of them? 01:02:38 kbs: I believe this really happened -with a nail going through a construction worker's shoe...he was reacting and in horrible pain; emergency personnel removed the shoe and it actually was between his toes! 01:02:44 kbs: https://www.painscience.com/blog/legend-of-boot-nail-guy.html 01:02:45 Theresa Seitz: Everyone is different though right, what works for one person may not apply to another, as it relates to someone being receptive to YN. Especially if they have relaxation induced anxiety. 01:04:11 Theresa Seitz: There is quite a bit of new research coming out on interoception, this seems to be a topic of great interest right now. 01:05:18 Katja Bartsch: Spinal cord is part of the central nervous system - and yes, in pain theory, some of those signal “calculations”/ the scrutinising of somatosensory bottom up inputs “versus” top down predictions happen at different levels - some at the spinal cord level, some at the brain level 01:06:08 Katja Bartsch: Here’s an pain related article with a visual I like in this context: 01:07:42 Katja Bartsch: Replying to "Everyone is differen..." Absolutely - each person’s prediction models are unique, shaped by many different factors (such as for example individual experiences, sociocultural aspects etc.). 01:09:32 Katja Bartsch: Thacker: Louis Gifford – revolutionary: the Mature Organism Model, an embodied cognitive perspective of pain 01:15:55 Katja Bartsch: That’s absolutely right Theresa. Research on interception has increased quite a bit - especially over the last decade - in part due to technical advances in research methodologies. 01:18:27 Evelyne Hertrich: From what I understand proprioception is an issue in ASD.. So yoga nidra would surely benefits for neurodivergent people .. Just a reflexion 01:22:13 Evelyne Hertrich: What is GERD ? 01:23:14 Katja Bartsch: Replying to "From what I understa..." Evelyne, that could certainly be the case. There’s some pretty recent research exploring this avenue. For example the following (if you’re interested and would like to dig deeper). https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35819587/ 01:23:48 Katja Bartsch: Replying to "From what I understa..." For interception that is 01:24:09 Tiff: Replying to "What is GERD ?" Gastroesophageal reflux disease, reflux is the take away 01:24:24 Evelyne Hertrich: Replying to "What is GERD ?" thanks 01:24:42 Evelyne Hertrich: Replying to "From what I understa..." thank you 01:25:02 elisebreth: Replying to "What is GERD ?" Acid reflux but a chronic condition where it occurs frequently or severely 01:25:27 Evelyne Hertrich: Replying to "What is GERD ?" thank you 01:27:59 Sarah Montross: Would it be possible to summarize the big teachings from today? 01:28:17 Daniela Vesela: Reacted to "Would it be possible..." with 👍 01:28:26 Sarah Montross: Maybe that’s the summary!! 01:31:37 L A Starr: When I think of top/down vs bottom /up I think of responding instead of reacting. 01:34:11 Evelyne Hertrich: love your comment, thank you 01:36:11 Mohamed El Dakkak: rewiring the top down, and minimizing the gap between the top down and bottom up... so it's bringing them closer together where they become as close as possible to each other... that's the main takeaway from today right? and the Nidra helps a lot in minimizing this gap 01:37:47 Katja Bartsch: Reacted to "love your comment, t..." with ❤️ 01:38:11 Katja Bartsch: Reacted to "rewiring the top dow..." with ❤️ 01:38:31 Evelyne Hertrich: Love the science thank you for making it accessible for us.😍 01:38:54 Daniela Vesela: Reacted to "rewiring the top dow..." with ❤️ 02:03:02 Kelli Lene's iPhone: Thank Ya’ll 02:03:06 Melanie S: Thank you so, so much for your knowledge and helping make it accessible!! 02:03:12 Esther: Thank you Caroline and Katja, wonderful session!! Have a good day/night and see you next week🙏🏾 02:03:12 elisebreth: Thank you! 02:03:13 michaelamccallum: That was wonderful, thank you 02:03:16 rebecca podlipec: Thank you so much. 02:03:19 Marie Hurley Blair: lovely 02:03:28 Evelyne Hertrich: loved the practice 02:03:36 Evelyne Hertrich: thank you